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bhasdon
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01-Dec-10, 02:20 PM (EST)
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"GFR decline after donation"
 
   Hi All:

I have a question on the GFR, not sure if this has been discussed before. As I have read, the GFR will be declining as part of aging process year after year. So, if after kidney donation, the remaining kidney's function compensates around 60, what will be future consequences? Will it not be a concern of Chronic Kidney Decease as the GFR will be less than 60? What is the implication for the donor, as it progresses to lower GFR? And what are the statistics of GFR getting below 60 or gaining above 60, after donation. This is just my understanding based on reading on the web. Please advise. Thanks in advance.


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jsmith
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01-Dec-10, 07:43 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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   This topic has been discussed which doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up again because it is so important. If you scroll down on the page where it lists forum, news, prayer, looking for etc at the bottom there is a section called LDO classics, click on that and then on archives at the top right. There will be several "good" topic discussions. The first one talks alot about GFR and our unofficial LDO physician William Freeman (Bill) posted alot of good info on this. There are other good discussions on long term effects.

Just to address some of the questions. Yes, we all lose kidney function as we age. Donating one kidney we lose 50%of our nephrons (filtering part of our kidneys) and the remaining one should compensate to about 75%. There is some controversy about how high should a potential donor's GFR be before donation to assure compensatory function. There are no universal standards so each hospital decides for themselves. It would make sense to me to discuss all these issues with your own nephrologist outside the transplant center so you can get an unbiased view with your interests at the forefront.

If donors do get to the <60 GFR do they really have CKD? The medical community may not consider that CKD in the absence of other signs like microalbuminia or high blood pressure. However, insurance companies may lump everyone together and if you have a GFR that is <60 you may not qualify for prime life insurance, health insurance etc.

Currently there are 194 living kidney donors wait listed for a kidney. See this article.

PRIOR LIVING KIDNEY DONORS SUBSEQUENTLY PLACED ON THE WAITING LIST: AN ORGAN PROCUREMENT AND TRANSPLANTATION NETWORK (OPTN) ANALYSIS

Wida S. Cherikh, PhD1, Carlton J. Young, MD2, Sarah E. Taranto1, Brian F. Kramer1, Henry B. Randall, MD3 and Pang-Yen Fan, MD4

1Research, UNOS, Richmond, VA; 2Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham, Birmingham, AL; 3Baylor Univ. Medical Ctr., Dallas, TX; and 4Univ. of Massachusetts Memorial Medical Ctr., Worcester, MA.

Background. The safety of living donation, particularly with respect to individuals who have donated their organ and were subsequently placed on the waiting list due to end stage organ failure remains to be of great interest and importance. The present study uses the OPTN database to examine individuals who have donated their kidney (KI) and ended up on the wait list (WL) due to end stage kidney failure.

Methods. We included KI candidates ever on the WL list during 1/1/1996-2/28/2009, and who were indicated as a previous donor, or had a prior living donation record in the OPTN living donor (LD) database as matched by SSN. Characteristics of the previous LDs were summarized. Rates of being placed on the WL within 5 years of donation were computed for White and Black donors who donated during 1996-2003.

Results. A total of 194 previous living KI donors were identified on the KI WL during 1/1/96-2/28/09, of which 87 (45%) were White, 82 (42%) Black, 14 (7%) Hispanic and 11 (6%) other. Median age at donation was 30.5 years. Overall median time from donation to listing was 21 years (22 years for White and 17.5 years for Black donors). The majority of the donors donated to their full siblings and most have received a kidney transplant since placed on the WL. Rates for being placed on the WL within 5 years post-donation were 0.01% for White and 0.09% for Black donors.

Summary. Since the median time for previous living donors to be placed on the KI WL is 21 years, the rate of being placed on the WL within 5 years of donation is very small. However, the findings on the relatively shorter time for Black donors to be placed on the WL and the higher rate of being on the WL within 5 years of donation experienced by Black donors are interesting and warrant further investigation.


Hope this helps clarify some issues, probably adds more questions to your list but informed consent is key when deciding to become a living donor.

Keep learning.

Sherri


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Donna Luebke
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04-Dec-10, 09:11 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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   Yes, the GFR declines with age. Can go to MDRD GFR calculator and put in your numbers. Change the ages to see where your GFR would be even with a normal creatinine at age 60, 70, etc. There are concerns for donors regarding CKD. Key to to monitor blood pressure, microalbumin (not just protein), and all cardiovascular risks like lipids, no smoking, etc. Follow the American Heart Association prescription for a healthy lifestyle as cardiovascular disease is associated with renal insufficiency, CKD, etc. Key for donors is to preserve and protect our lone kidney.

Ideally a healthy kidney should recover 75% of the total GFR once it hypertrophies and hyperfiltrates post-donation. The creatinine is also important. Age of donor and health of the remaining kidney impact whether or not compensatory mechanisms will help with some recovery of GFR. Well known that an older, obese or hypertensive donor may not recover GFR as they already have been hyperfiltrating.

We should all be worried about our current and future health.


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williamlfreeman
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22-Dec-10, 06:22 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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   Bhasdon,

Sherri & Donna summarized the current state of knowledge quite well. (From Sherri's note, I just learned that I am "our unofficial LDO physician." Hmm. What happened to informed consent? )

I want to expand two points in what they wrote.

First: Current knowledge about the medium and long term effects of living kidney donation is not adequate, but one issue is clear: living kidney donation raises blood pressure for most donors. The average rise in systolic, the first number in B/P, is six (6) points -- 6 mm Hg (mercury) -- above what it would be without having donated a kidney. That is the *average* increase. The rise in some donors will be more than 6, and in a few donors will be much more. Moreover, most people experience a rise in blood pressure as they got older; by the age of about 60, the majority have high blood pressure. Thus, adding an average of 6 points to what will likely be the rise in our blood pressure as each of us gets older means we will get high blood pressure at a somewhat younger age than we would if we had not donated a kidney.

Thus, living donors are likely to experience the adverse effects of high blood pressure at an age earlier than we would if we had not donated. Those adverse effects are: heart attacks; strokes; and kidney failure (leading to dialysis and being on the list to receive a kidney transplant). Although many kidney specialists focus on the chance of developing kidney failure years after donation (see the article quoted by Sherri), that event is actually rare. The most common severe, life-threatening, problems with high blood pressure are heart attack and strokes -- again, at an earlier age than otherwise.

Heart attacks and strokes due to high blood pressure are largely preventable, though. Controlling blood pressure has been proven to prevent early heart attacks and strokes, and thus can be life-saving.

Bottom line: donors should have our blood pressure checked at least yearly, and also adopt a low salt diet because that diet lowers blood pressure in many people. Moreover, with only one kidney, most likely it is better to start on a simple high blood pressure pill if a donor's blood pressure gets to be 130 or more systolic or 85 or more diastolic (the second number) -- because higher blood pressure also causes damage to the kidneys (or, in our case, to our one kidney) that in turn leads to even higher blood pressure, and so on in a vicious circle. "We should all be worried about our current and future health" means especially "Check our blood pressure yearly, and start treatment if/when it reaches 130 or more systolic or 85 or more diastolic."

This first point also means that, although what happens to GFR after donation is important, for most donors, the measurement more important for health is blood pressure.

Second, current knowledge does not answer your specific questions, Bhasdon; we simply do not know the significance or meaning to the health of living donors of the lower GFR resulting from living kidney donation. (This lack of knowledge was and is especially frustrating to me, a physician who is a living donor, who wants to tell patients -- and himself -- what a medical change means to health.)

Less than 10 years ago, the nephrologists divided "CKD" (= Chronic Kidney Disease) into 5 Stages. GFR (Glomerular Filtration Rate) depends mainly on the number of glomeruli (the microscopic units in kidneys that filter the blood); that number decreases by half with living kidney donation. Statistically, people with a GFR below 60 *AS A GROUP* have a higher chance of developing kidney failure, heart attacks, and strokes than their same-age peers.

But that "GROUP" consists of two subgroups: one subgroup is of people who truly are at increased risk due to disease; and the other subgroup is people are not at increased risk at all. In which subgroup are previously healthy people whose GFR drops close to or lower than 60 due only to their donation of 1/2 of their glomeruli to another person? No-one knows -- because the number of living donors is small and no-one has done real research to answer that question. (A large, several year, research project is being done as we speak; I am guessing it will be about 3 years before results will be in.) As Donna noted, insurance companies assume (but do not know) that GFR at or below 60 means statistically worse health for everyone with that GFR.

But tracking our own GFR is important, too, even with our limited knowledge. As Sherri noted, a small percent of donors go on to develop renal failure, and a small percent of them do so within 5 years -- and those latter people are disproportionally African American. I mean REALLY disproportionally. That finding, discovered at least 3 years ago, has not yet been explained. (WHAT IS THE CAUSE? Was the work-up and evaluation of those potential donors incomplete, such that they were accepted to be donors when a complete work-up and evaluation would have not accepted them? Or did they have risk factors not previously known to cause early kidney failure after living kidney donation? Or did they not receive appropriate F/U care after donation, that could have prevented their slide into renal failure and then dialysis? Or, ...?) What ever the cause(s), medicine should -- must -- discover them and correct them to avoid doing harm to more potential donors. As both a physician and a living donor, I am dismayed that we do not yet know the answer. To say it bluntly, that is neither fair to, nor good medical care for, potential donors, especially black potential donors.

Bottom line: we should track our GFR, even though we do not know its full significance. If it starts going down more than, say, 2 points per year for 3 years, see a nephrologist.

On a cheerier note, the recipient and her "new/used" kidney are getting along well together. Carolyn and I recently hosted a "2 year anniversary" dinner for her, her family, her husband's parents, another non-directed donor (who had donated in Nov 2009) and her recipient and friend, and some of the people at Swedish Medical Center's Organ Transplant Program in Seattle, including our surgeon (for the other non-directed donor and me) and his wife. I was thankful for the many virtual ("spiritual"?) gifts I received on the way to donation and since from each person there -- none of which I anticipated -- especially appropriate in this season of Thanksgiving, Hanukkah, and Christmas.

Bill - living kidney donor, non-directed - Nov 24, 2008


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Donna Luebke
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27-Dec-10, 03:58 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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   Good interview for all to hear.

Measurement of Glomerular Filtration Rate in Living Kidney Donors ...
Measurement of Glomerular Filtration Rate in Living Kidney Donors ... and advice given to potential donors who inquire about changes in GFR post-donation. ...
www.a-s-t.org/.../measurement-glomerular-filtration-rate-livin...


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Fr Pat
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27-Dec-10, 06:12 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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Dear Donna,
Hi. I clicked the link you posted for the GRF interview, but "could not be found" came back at the site. Any suggestion? Thanks.
Fr. Pat


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aries7
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27-Dec-10, 09:28 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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   LAST EDITED ON 27-Dec-10 AT 09:31 PM (EST)
 
Fr Pat,

I had the same problem. I typed in GFR in the "search"column on the top right hand side. It then gave me the option of clicking on the link "Measurement of Glumeruclar Filtration Rate in Living Kidney Donors". I believe this is the article Donna is talking about. (Donna, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.) I hope this helps!

Linda

Donated Left Kidney to my Husband October 8, 2009


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Michaeladmin
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28-Dec-10, 08:41 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: GFR decline after donation"
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Here's the complete link address:

http://www.a-s-t.org/podcasts/measurement-glomerular-filtration-rate-living-kidney-donors

Michael
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